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Thursday, October 04, 2012

Bishops Andrus and Cordileone

See updates to this situation here and here. - Oct. 5

There's been a dust-up between Catholic Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco and Episcopal Bishop of Caliifornia, Marc Andrus. Earlier in the week I saw mention of an open letter by Bishop Andrus ... Letter to the Diocese of California concerning the installation of Salvatore Cordileone as Archbishop of San Francisco .... in which he politely wrote that he looked forward to working with the new archbihop, but also politely mentioned that he would continue to support the embracing of all people into the full life of the church, including lesbians/gays.

The reason he may have made this point is that Archbishop Cordileone was one of the main supporters of proposition 8 (He helped author the bill and raised money for its campaign effort) which banned same-sex marriage in California, and he also began an investigation in 2010 of the Catholic Association for Lesbian and Gay Ministry (In All Things - Tough questions in Oakland).

Sadly, it wasn't long before I saw some unhappy Catholic responses to his letter, like this one at First Thoughts. And now I see that Bishop Andrus, on the feast day of St Francis of Assisi, was unwelcomed at the installation of Archbishop Cordileone ...

Bishop Marc Denied Seating at Archbishop's Installation

The Rt. Rev. Marc Andrus, Episcopal Bishop of California and an invited guest for the installation of Archbishop-designate Salvatore Cordileone, was not allowed to be seated. He was escorted to a basement room at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral and detained by an usher until the time the service began, whereupon Bishop Andrus left the cathedral. More information will be forthcoming as it is available.

This petty insult to Bishop Andrus was just wrong :(


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but the episcopalian "bishop" sent out a hate mail missive to all his subjects describing the new archbishop as a bigot and vicicous anti-Christian oppressor.

Would you want someone who sent hate mail like that about you in your living room?

The unChristian bigot is the Andrus, who unprovoked vilified the new Catholic archbishop publicly. You need to change your prejudicial vicious tone about Catholics.

7:39 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

I've read the letter - see the link above - and Bishop Andrus didn't call anyone a bigot.

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then you do not know what hate speech is. Sorry.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Victor said...

As often as two and/or more lesbians/gays might try to convince The Bride of Christ that they should be include in "The Blessed Sacrament of Marriage should include them, "IT" must be discouraged but I will say that lesbians/gays should all be respected and just leave "IT" at that for NOW!

I hear ya! I guess that we'll have to continue to disagree Victor and hope that GOD's Son will come in Glory to help U>S (usual sinners) out.

Until then, we'll continue to pray for each other. Right?


9:03 PM  
Blogger William D. Lindsey said...

Anonymous, you say, "Then you don't know what hate speech is. Sorry."

And I want to reply, "Then you don't know what the gospel is. Sorry."

Jesus tells us in the gospel to turn the other cheek to those who strike us, to pray for our enemies. On the cross, he opened his arms to everyone, affirmed the thief beside him, and asked forgiveness for those who crucified him.

Bishops are supposed to emulate and signify Jesus to the Christian community. "Bishop" Cordileone seems to me to have failed conspicuously to do that by what was done to Bishop Andrus yesterday.


11:26 AM  
Anonymous Rita Ferrone said...

How very bizarre is the comment by Anonymous! If Bishop Cordileone didn't want Bishop Andrus there, he should not have invited him. It's as simple as that.

Bishop Andrus was an invited guest. He did not come to crash the party. For him to be detained and then prohibited from joining the assembly at the final hour is the height of rudeness, and requires an apology as well as an explanation.

1:37 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

Hi Rita,

Thanks for your comment :)

Yes, I agree. Tpp bad the relations between the two bishops is getting off to such a bad start.

4:22 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

Hi William,

Yes, you'd like to think that Bishop Cordileone could rise above the perceived insult of the letter - and I don't think it was meant to be an insult - instead of getting even.

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

There was nothing at all insulting about the letter, he was just stating what is well known, that the Episcopal Church welcomes the LGBT community to their communion and the Catholic Church does not.

8:24 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

That's how it seemed to me too. I'd seen news stories that mentioned the concern of the LGBT community, especially those at Holy Redeemer Church, so maybe he was trying to make them not so worried?

10:54 PM  

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