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Saturday, June 29, 2013

"Hasta la vista, babies!"

Traditionalists indicate definitive break with Catholic Church. Yep, the SSPX has finally given up trying to "fix" the Catholic Church, perhaps because they find Pope Francis much less sympathetic than his predecessor to their rejection of Vatican II documents like Nostra Aetate. I say yay and good riddance to bad rubbish. If you wonder why I feel that way, see my past post, "They are evil .... "


Blogger William D. Lindsey said...

I love how you say so much in so few well-chosen words, Crystal. I am cheering this news alongside you!

8:18 AM  
Blogger crystal said...

Hi William :)

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Henry said...

You wrote: "I say yay and good riddance to bad rubbish. If you wonder why I feel that way, see my past post, "They are evil .... "

Hmm... I am really surprised you wrote that because if I understand your position/premises correctly Crystal, those that think that "liberal catholics" or "cafteria catholics" are "bad rubish and should leave" would seem to be justified for feeling that way.

It doesn't seem to me that telling misguided members of the family to make sure the door doesn't hit you in the butt on your way out is the best approach and I am really surprised that you seem to endorse it.

I hope you are well Crystal, particulalry in this terrible heat!



2:22 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

Hi Henry,

Thanks for the good wishes - thank goodness for air conditioning! :)

The SSPX guys aren't just members of our family that disagree with some of the majority's ideas, they are anti-Semitic and their views are hateful and cause harm. They've been given ample time to change and they don't want to. To stick with them would seem to me to be a tacit agreement with their views.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Henry said...

Hi Crystal!

Pardon the delay but I was away. I generally don’t use air conditioning because I generally get sick when I do, but I’ve had to use it lately!!

Ok, so when I see a group (or person) that has been given “ample time to change and they don’t want to” I should rejoice when they leave the Catholic Church? Perhaps I should even work to hasten their departure, no?

And I see that you’ve used all the cultural buzzwords/phrases too – “hateful” and “cause harm.” Well, since I believe that pornography exploits people and contributes to human trafficking, that NAMBLA is a dangerous organization, etc., can’t someone claim that I am being “hateful” and “causing harm” and therefore, following your criterion for judgment, that I too should leave? Where does it stop? Who defines “hateful” and “causing harm.” The kids outside my apartment window who blast their radio’s at 3am don’t think they are “harming” anyone and neither do the police since they don’t bother to come when I’ve called them to complain.

I am asking you to look at your criterion for judgment Crystal, really look at it.

Un abrazo,


12:52 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

Being judgmental has gotten a bad reputation with Christians ... judge not lest you be judged ... but I think actually we do have to be judgmental, discerning, discriminating, if we believe in goodness and truth, and in being responsible for making decent choices.

To say NAMBLA (and sex abuse) is bad, to say anti-Semitism is bad, is making a judgment, yes, but the alternative is to allow badness to happen without taking a stand. Of course I have to keep in mind that my judgments are fallible and I could be wrong.

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Henry said...

I definitely agree with you that we have to make judgments and that we must take a stand against evil, injustice, etc. Although I believe that the SSPX has separated itself from the Church and I’ve read their reasons for the position they take, I definitely see flaws and holes in their interpretaton and I do believe it denies some basic foundational beliefs of the Deposit of Faith handed on to the Body of Christ.

Frankly, what bothers me on all sides of the spectrum is the desire to make the Chuch pure by throwing out the bad elements - I think this is a dangerous position. Perhaps I am reading more into your comment than you intend - and if that’s the case I apologize - but I can’t stand when I read on certain websites that X group should leave because of X and Y group should leve because of Y, etc.

And yes, I’ve been guilty of that type of thinking in the past (and may still be guilty of it now and in the future) but, as you rightly pointed out, I have to judge that.

Thanks for the chat my friend.

5:49 PM  
Blogger crystal said...

Yeah, I know what you mean - usually it's the conservatives who want some liberal group to leave and then I always want to uphold the big tent idea of Catholicism. So I *am* being sort of hypocritical here by wanting the SSPX to leave - ouch. It's hard to know where to draw the line, I guess.

Chatting is good :)

11:29 PM  

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