Before we get all excited ...
about the idea of women deacons (Pray Tell), let us recall a few things .....
- that this was brought up a few months ago by Cardinal Kasper and that the "deaconesses" as he termed them, would bear no resemblance to male deacons in their duties and that they would not be sacramentally ordained but just blessed into their positions.
- and that the statement of Archbishop Zollitsch confirms what Kasper said ... The statement makes it clear that he is calling for a new office specifically for women rather than admission of women to the sacramental diaconate.
- and that even if we were talking about women as "real" deacons, it’s depressing to realize that women actually were deacons in the early church - all we would be doing is regaining what was lost.
- and as James Martin SJ points out (in this Episcopal Cafe post), even this truncated idea of "women deacons" is just an idea ... There's been no 'decision' made at all, not in Germany, not in the Vatican. Keep in mind that the Archbishop is only floating the idea.
The hierarchy doesn't seem to understand that throwing women a bone like this will not satisfy those who hope for equality in the church. As my blogging friend Todd comments at the Pray Tell link .... It seems like we’re just talking lay ecclesial ministry then ... I’m inclined to say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”
- that this was brought up a few months ago by Cardinal Kasper and that the "deaconesses" as he termed them, would bear no resemblance to male deacons in their duties and that they would not be sacramentally ordained but just blessed into their positions.
- and that the statement of Archbishop Zollitsch confirms what Kasper said ... The statement makes it clear that he is calling for a new office specifically for women rather than admission of women to the sacramental diaconate.
- and that even if we were talking about women as "real" deacons, it’s depressing to realize that women actually were deacons in the early church - all we would be doing is regaining what was lost.
- and as James Martin SJ points out (in this Episcopal Cafe post), even this truncated idea of "women deacons" is just an idea ... There's been no 'decision' made at all, not in Germany, not in the Vatican. Keep in mind that the Archbishop is only floating the idea.
The hierarchy doesn't seem to understand that throwing women a bone like this will not satisfy those who hope for equality in the church. As my blogging friend Todd comments at the Pray Tell link .... It seems like we’re just talking lay ecclesial ministry then ... I’m inclined to say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”
posted by crystal | 12:56 PM
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s(((There's been no 'decision' made at all, not in Germany, not in the Vatican. Keep in mind that the Archbishop is only floating the idea. .... It seems like we’re just talking lay ecclesial ministry then ... I’m inclined to say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”)))
You're so right Crystal and between "ME", "ME", "ME" and U>S (usual sinning) alien, "I" mean us gods, don't tell Victor' butt we can't trust those German gods, "I" mean some germs, "I" mean may germ mans,,,, WHATEVER! Listen Crystal this vs has U>S going in circle on this enlarged in sand "IT" HE, "I" mean insanity thin line and truth be known, his shadow has U>S running around with our spiritual head cut off so YA must kill him NOW! Hey Victor doesn't do much reading but "I" have READ somewhere that there's a Retired Evil Annoying Disabled or is that just a Retired Extremely Dangerous CIA clown, "I" mean clone who has been approved by the Morg and Free Men of this Milky Way http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=vfBgGHau-2Q&feature=mv_sr so don't YA be telling me that YA humans can't have this Victor cell killed like the alien crucified, "I" mean put an END to that so called guy from another kingdom who tried cutting into our grass NOW!
Listen Crystal! We gods could write a book here but listen Victor's Cells is getting wise to U>S and we've been warned by the alien gods that "IT" will be history for all of U>S if we fail so YA must help U>S and we want YA to stop pussy footing around if YA gets our drift NOW?
Forgive "ME", "ME" and "ME" if we sound a little desk per rate, "I" mean desperate but we've tried everything with Victor so please help U>S out and if your Crystals don't know what we gods are talking about, just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27GtfEeGnw and you'll know what "IT" is all about cause if YA don't stop him his "ONE" per sent age cells will turn YA into a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJgcqMDTEE so are YA with U>S NOW!
One more story and we must close cause this is sounding like the early seventies when Victor worked with a German John and long story short, V.S did his job while John went to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEy5OOS1eAI and this Jesus will blame the alien gods again for "IT" if YA get my drift?
Crystal we're going to do something that we've been forgiven to do but what the hell, fruits exist don't they, if Ya get my drift NOW! Listen we'll just lie to this little retardo Victor if some of his so called religious cells are looking for trouble NOW.
Anyway just read this below and tell U>S that we gods are not trying to help Victor out NOW?
continued..... Anyway just read this below and tell U>S that we gods are not trying to help Victor out NOW?
PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USE IT FOR GOD.
Hello My Dearest,
I know how surprise this email might appear to you but i want you to consider it as a request for an assistance from a dying woman. My Name is Elizabeth ....... from ....... but now undergoing medical treatment in ......... the capital city of Ivory Coast.
I am married to late Mr........................, who worked with Israeli Embassy in Ivory Coast for Eleven years before he died in the year 2008, after a brief illness that lasted for only Ten days.
We were married for .. ........years ..................... ................ child. After the death of my husband i vowed to use our wealth for the down trodden and the less privileged in our society.
Recently, My Doctor told me that I may not last for the next seven months due to cancer problem, though what disturbs me most is my stroke and deaf problem.
Haven known my condition i decided to Serve God with our wealth. When my late husband was alive we kept the sum of ($7.6 Million U.S. Dollars) Seven million six hundred thousand united states dollars Having known my condition I decided to Give out this fund to a church or an individual or better still a God fearing person who will utilise this fund the way I am going to instruct here in.
I want an individual that will use this fund to provide succour to the poor and indigent persons, orphanages, widows around him or her and Schools etc. As soon as I receive your response I shall give you the contact of the Bank where the said fund is deposited I will also issue you the documents that will prove you the present beneficiary of this fund.
Any delay in your reply will give me room in searching for an individual or this same purpose, always be prayerful all through your life.
Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I Stated herein. Hope to receive your reply soon. please reply me through this email .................
Thanks and Remain Blessed.
Elizabeth ........
We only made "ONE" mistake Crystal and that was that The CIA should not have attached strings to "IT" cause he says that there's no string attached to His Jesus LOVE and......
End YA say sinner vic?
High Victor, "I" mean Hi!
http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/2013/04/the-original-hipster/
Go Figure brothers and sisters in Christ NOW! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPKI43TEiE
Peace
Hi Victor :)
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